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Thursday, October 17, 2019

Moral development

I've been wanting to do a few new cartoons ever since my recent, three part critique of what is already out there. And I've been wanting to experiment with using some basic computer programs to enhance my hand-drawn originals......particularly for the word bubbles. So yesterday I finished one, which is a five panel comic.

As fair warning to those who dislike spanking stuff involving kids, this comic does deal with that, but just like I tend to write about things from my own background, this comic is more of a parody of me personally rather than some lewd use of random, underage spanking victims. ( I even gave the boy my own name! ) I also wanted to mess around with what it was like to be a kid who was a "spanko" from earliest recollection.

The Trials of Being a Kid-Spanko







Beginning in 1958, Lawrence Kohlberg began working on a theory regarding the develop of morality in humans. (link for more info). Essentially he came up with six stages of increasing sophistication in how we decide what we should do. 



The lower two, self-interest and avoiding punishment, are the first stages we utilize as kids. Then from adolescence through adulthood, if you're lucky, you develop more philosophical grounds for your decisions. In the cartoon I did, young "Ken" (me) is still bound by self-interest and avoiding punishment.......only in HIS case, that distinction is more than a little blurry. Being a kid harboring a secret, he has learned to lie in order to avoid detection for what he already realizes is not a normal inclination. Now he is being told he must stop lying, and to enforce that restriction, his exasperated mother resorts to corporal punishment.....which on some level is more in his 'self-interest'. 

I truly enjoyed rendering the last panel. What a priceless dilemma for anyone, let alone a kid without all the tools and experience needed to navigate this morass. Throughout the panels, Ken has been vehemently warned to never lie again. He has been spanked pretty hard to emphasize that......which in itself is a mixed consequence; the spanking truly hurt at the time......but something about it was also appealing. And finally he is asked if he'd like to experience that sensation again. To the "mom" it's a no-brainer question, meant more rhetorically than inquisitively. She probably sees 'Ken's' hesitation as pride or stubbornness rather than the dilemma it is for him.

True, all Ken has to do is to admit to something no kid wants to say out loud. He could be brave and tell the truth (or turn around LOL)  and he could get his secret wish...but for the wrong reason, or his mom might freak out and he'll never experience the 'joy' of being spanked again. No wonder "Ken" looks mentally fried by the insistent question!

Recently I stumbled across another cartoon that deals with kids who are somehow complicit in their punishments, though this one approaches it from a different angle:



Hell....THIS  one could be me as well! (If there was such a thing as blogging back when I was a kid!)

The use of kids in spanking stories or comics is controversial. Even as a parent, I never spanked my kids, but never really needed to either. However, as a kid I was spanked and I don't think it had the detrimental effects current psychologists claim it leads to. And I don't think we will ever know for sure. And while no sane person advocates 'abuse' there's a gnawing feeling that modern lack of discipline seems to have done its share of a different king of damage. 

Then there's the rare case of complicity. I have written a few "coming of age" spanking stories involving kids and adult authority figures, but in each one there is an underlying theme of complicity....or at the very least, curiosity. And for me, this makes another difference. I definitely think my own recollections of how I was as a kid color my feelings but I can understand how other people's experience can take them in the opposite direction. 







27 comments:

  1. Hey there. I'm still tied up on things this week, but had a few spare moments so decided to give you an electronic visit. Love the new strip! Even though I can't say I identify with in personally. The few spankings I got as a kid definitely did NOT lead to any wish for a repeat.

    Like you, I'm not a purist when it comes to corporal punishment of kids. I spanked one of my kids a tiny number of times, and none of the others. As you said, they really didn't need it. I was spanked, and perhaps more often than I remember, given that it is hard to imagine NOT getting spanked a lot where I grew up. The threat was certainly always there. Like you, I don't think I suffered any psychological damage from that, and I think many of the studies in this area have very big methodological problems. Also, just anecdotally, the Millennials are perhaps the first generation raised in a largely spank-free world, and is anyone really going to argue that they are a generation we'd like to see emulated? As a group, they are entitled, whiny, and lacking in resilience and self-reliance. They may suffer less self-doubt than the previous generation, but it is kind of a delusional form of confidence. So, who knows whether this is a case where correlation equals causation, but it's pretty hard to say that a lack of corporal punishment resulted in a stronger or more "adjusted" generation.

    Regarding spanking art depicting kids, I am on the fence. I used to ban myself from posting it on my blog, though I have deviated from that over the last year or two. For some reason, I have more of a problem with Barbara O'Toole's art in which the age of the male spanking recipients is somewhat ambiguous, though they are obviously young. Something about it just seems more like to appeal to someone who gets off on seeing spanked kids. Yours is straightforwardly exploring the early onset of a spanking kink, which many in our community admit did, in fact, come on them at a very young age.

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    1. Hey thanks for the comment in the midst of your business. It's nice to have a couple of people I can rely on for discussion.

      And since your other comment strikes some notes, please see my response.....

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  2. As I've stated before, I was never spanked. I witnessed enough of my friends getting spanked, and I much preferred to be a "good girl."

    Still, I did spank my children due to the outdated belief in "Spare the rod, spoil the child." I also knew it was better if I spanked them instead of allowing the "whuppings" of their father. It was a cycle of violence that I had to prevent.

    We all know where I stand now when it comes to consensual adult on adult spankings, which sometimes makes me giggle.

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    1. I was a ridiculous "goody-two-shoes" as a kid.....right up through high school in fact. Yet, as 'good' as I was, back then, it seemed nothing could save you from getting a few whacks now and then. If I was 'good' by today's standards, then the bar for behavior was WAY higher than it is today!

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  3. It also occurs to me that this set of panels highlights something we have kicked around, which is how much spanking can be a deterrent for a true spanko. KD, I don't fundamentally disagree with your belief that a spanking can be erotic or disciplinary depending on the purpose, but I think this cartoon illustrates that while a true spanko can receive a spanking they perceive as disciplinary, there is in fact likely some tension there.

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    1. Now this warrants a response because the cartoon is.....well....a cartoon. I tried....quite intentionally....to not have "little Ken" ever appear as if he was happy about getting spanked, or enjoying it as it was happening. Just look at his face which is reddening proportionate to his posterior.

      And truth be told, I never got an erection from a spanking. Not then, not even as an adult. The experience is too humbling for me.....even if "fun" (which with DD it usually isn't). The reason I gave the kid a min-boner was to convey an inner conflict in a way that was visual and immediate to most viewers. (I suppose I could have given him some elaborate thought bubble...but I went with this because it was, as I said, immediate.) But it does imply something additional that I never experienced and as such might have been confusing.

      I had a very specific idea of what a spanking should be like back then, but by the time I was having those thoughts, my mother had already moved on from the OTK application of wooden spoon to bare bottom, to just whacking me with a slap across my arm or whatever. My father would sometimes be instructed to 'deal with me' when he got home which involved a totally undesirable application of a strap over my clothed bottom while my ankles were lifted. (I hated it).

      Yet in that same timeline.....I was already sneaking around when no one was about to spank myself IN THE WAY I WANTED: with a hairbrush on my bare cheeks.....and not gently!

      I honestly don't know how I would have reacted to a situation like the one depicted in the cartoon, but I drew it the way I did because I do believe that had my mother made a similar announcement to me at that age, with the understanding that she would spank me in the manner specifically depicted, I WOULD have somehow welcomed it. I do know that at least I now regret that she didn't. I even wonder often how my life might have been different or similar had she used a more formal, ritualized, OTK method to spank, since that desire for that methodology certainly fueled....and still does....my spanking inclination.

      One of my regrets of my mother dying when she did was that I still wonder what might have happened had she lived healthily after learning of my lifestyle, and approving of it. I will say, that if a situation arose where Rosa would offer her the opportunity (which I think she would have. she has said so. ) and my mother agreed to spank me punitively as adult to adult, I would have welcomed it.

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  4. Understanding today's views, I was raised and spankings were used, not often. Parents both working, babysitted by woman who lived across the street, three children of her own. Rules were simple, same treatment as her own and stayed there. I learned later my parents knew, approved. Don't recall if I ever was erect, all spankings were bare bottom spankings, displaying all I don't think cross my mind, the stinging, warm, spanked bottom was my only concern. Jack

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    1. Thanks for the response, Jack. True, at the time even I, with my inclinations, did not have post-spanking erections. It was just a visual image I used to convey the kid's inner inclinations.

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    2. I will say that my desires as an adult to be spanked I realized long after the spankings from the neighbor lady. I'm not sure what for lack of better phasing, turned the switch on, but as an adult I'm erect prior to for sure. Don't know if this is what you were wanting to see posted, but wanted to share. Jack

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    3. You're doing fine, Jack. I'm very pleased with how you are participating and staying on-topic. Just keep it pertinent and real and you'll be fine.

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  5. That last frame was literally a LOL!
    My mother never spanked me and I vividly disliked the few times I got it from my father. I remember that the last time he tried to when I was about 12, I struggled so to get away that he gave up.
    I developed my interest in spanking from reading those Penthouse magazine letters and finding that they greatly appealed to me.
    Those spankings were nearly entirely male on female.
    My actual spanko activity started out spanking a girl friend, then later spanking my wife. It wasn't till after many years of marriage that this turned around and I don't spank her at all while welcoming every spanking, caning, whipping, paddling that she might give me.

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    1. Hi, Bill! Missed you here. Thanks for the background. It's interesting to see how similar and yet different we are are, even as we end up in a similar lifestyle.

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  6. with my philosophy degree in hand the pyramid of moral development is interesting. the concept of moral luck vs something you can deem to be right.

    as to the spankings i was spanked as a kid. sadly often to hard and to much. extremes are easy. it is easy to say that was abuse not thought out correcting discipline.

    my kinks today i think come from the treatment received from my father and from what was then a disability. i think they compound each other.

    to borrow Dans phrase of funishment today my wife and our friends and i talk a lot, a lot, and a lot about things they would like to do to and with me and things id like to have done to me. sometimes ho hum if this lifestyle can be called that but other times quite extreme. sometimes scenarios of very abusive come up. we watch the news for the sad stories of hazing to see if we could adapt anything to our circumstance. the difference of course being consent. i could not consent when my dad went to far. i can consent now.

    the disability thing was when i was a kid i had what was called knock knees. my parents usually my mom would strap my legs together in this padded leather contraption. (yes bondage from my mom doomed i was)

    https://images.app.goo.gl/oMzoXENUA6aKL2rN9

    i do think that the harshness from my dad compounded the effects of my mom into how i feel about such domination things today

    sorry i rambled perhaps off topic

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    1. Nothing off-topic here. It's weird what we used to endure as kids often 'medically' for different maladies. I'm sure it's why people have medical fetishes as well.

      I also find the pyramid interesting. With your degree feel free to elaborate on any reactions to it.

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  7. Been awhile since I've commented here (various r/l reasons) but I just wanted to say I LOVED this series of drawings. Although I doubt very much I would have enjoyed a spanking like this from my mom (or my dad or other adult authority figure) I fantasized frequently later on in life (teen years) of being spanked as a pre-pubescent boy EXACTLY as you depicted "Ken" being spanked, especially pants down and on the bare bottom (I also often fantasized about these spankings being witnessed by others and often having an erection after). My fantasies were, and remain, of me being spanked as a young boy and not as an adult or even older teen. I really like this kind of art (kids, not TOO young, not too old, especially boys, being spanked OTK and bare-bottomed) with no apologies. This series was GREAT. Thank you...

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    1. Thank you, kind sir, and welcome back! We certainly missed you here!

      I like how you characterized the "why" of what you enjoyed about the series. If you see my one response to Dan, you can find a similar issue.....that as punishment became more impulsive, less ritualized, and sort of anger-driven, I found myself "wanting" the type of punishment depicted, and that is what also fueled my desires as I got older.

      Given what I went through great machinations to experience secretly, at the same time as I was just occasionally "getting hit", I honestly and truly believe that I might well have added 'intentional misbehavior' to my list of strategies IF it meant formally going OTK with my mother and a spoon or hairbrush. I could be fooling myself in hindsight......but I don't think I am. I guess I associated that experience....which I did get from my mother when younger.... with something positive, and more desirable than what she did when I was just a couple of years older.

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  8. You said "hindsight"... Huhhuhhuh... ;-)

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    1. LOL, channeling "Beavis & Butthead" are we? ;-)

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  9. Them and the kid in "King of the Hill". Speaking of which, can you imagine two more young men deserving of a good spanking (or several of them) than B & B?

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  10. I have had a fascination with spanking since I was 4. I grew up in an age when spanking was common place but I was never spanked. Though I dreamed of getting my pants pulled down and put over an adult lap all while I was growing up. When I was 12 me and my cousin (who was frequently spanked) were goofing around and annoying my aunt. She had enough and called my uncle into the room and told him “ to give us both pants down spankings” (to this day that phrase kills me). Honestly I was both terrified and excited. I didn’t know what to do. I was frozen. He looked at us both and told us to knock it off because if he has to tell us again we would both get a “licking”. My cousin told me later on that we were so lucky. It is very rare that his mom tells his dad to give him a spanking and he doesn’t get one. Looking back I assume he knew my dad (his brother) didn’t spank us, so he probably didn’t think it was right for him to spank me. However I often wonder if I would have gotten a “Real” spanking growing up if it would have decreased my interest in spanking. Or would I have been like the boy in the picture and found it “exciting”.

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    1. Unfortunately trying to figure out how things might have been different can be frustrating. We have no way of knowing, and even if we did, we can't go back in time and change it. (t does give us all something to ponder however.)

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    2. My own situation was similar: a fascination with WATCHING a spanking but not necessarily getting one. My own desires of (maybe) getting a spanking (and how severe of one) only came later in my teens. I definitely think it had something to do with sexual awakening. I don't know if I would have really found it "exciting" or "liked" it but I remain firmly convinced that I would have been better off as an adult if my parents HAD spanked me, early and often...

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  11. I really liked your cartoon! As a child, I had an interest in watching spankings, or reading about them (still do), but no interest in being spanked. I was spanked rarely, I was a good kid, but certainly did not enjoy them. As a parent, I have spanked my children (2 girls) on the rare occasion they needed it. Because they knew I would spank them, the threat of a spanking was usually an effective deterrent.

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    1. Thanks for the compliment. And .....well, I must say your self-description fits your chosen online name perfectly! ;-)

      It also does seem to be a common theme among reluctant spanking parents that having it there as an option does seem to result in rarely having to resort to it. (Why does no one in the psychology community talk about THAT?)

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  12. I think that the threat of a spanking would serve as a deterrent to bad behavior for most any normal child who HAD been spanked "for real". For me however, at least post-puberty, it might have had the opposite effect... ;-)

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  13. This is a terrific little comic, the 'twist' ending in the last panel is a lot of fun!

    I was spanked (although only over whatever clothing I happened to be wearing) as a child, albeit quite sparingly overall. Strangely enough, although I had developed some degree of F/M spankophile awareness by 5-6 years of age, I never got any gratification from being spanked by my mother, whom I now realize was a very pretty woman at the age (30s) she would've been spanking me. (Getting seat-smacked with a ruler by my same-age female cousin playing "School," that I did find gratifying.)

    What this kid needs to do is obviously avoid turning around before pulling up his pants and reply "No, ma'am!", then if he wants more maternal spanking in the future he has to stop lying, at least for a few days, so that his mother believes that her spanking approach is working in modifying his behavior.

    He can sooner or later backslide, on purpose letting his mother catch him fibbing later on to get more pants-down trips across her lap, but I'd say not to be too greedy about it--if he tells the truth most of the time, his mother likely could be convinced to paddle his bare bottom possibly once or twice a week, believing simply that her spankings are effective but that they'll eventually 'wear off' and have to be repeated.

    Of course, story plotlines about children maneuvering to get spanked by various adults & near-adults & even their peers, those are a staple of spanking-oriented writing... --C.K.

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