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Monday, August 20, 2018

Age-old question

Q: "What is truth?"

Pontius Pilate circa 33CE

A: "Truth isn't truth."

Rudy Guiliani  2018

There is not much solace in being an atheist, however, there are a few perks. I do have Sundays to myself, and occasionally I have the guilty pleasure of watching religious people tie themselves into pretty little hypocritical knots justifying that which is clearly condemned by their own religion.

In the case of the Evangelicals and Trump, I have been afforded a feature-length comedy instead of the occasional random snicker. Interviews with these people reveal that they personally loathe the type of person Trump is.......but.......he IS giving them the conservative judges they so eagerly crave. The thing is, in order to get this thing they want, they have to be willing to align themselves with someone who they themselves admit is not a good person despite:

Proverbs 4:14 "Do not enter the path of the wicked And do not proceed in the way of evil men."

No steward of the Earth, Trump keeps rolling back environmental regulations at the very peril of the planet, and yet they seem OK with that despite:

Revelation 11:18 “The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth.”

They have to look the other way when he enacts legislation that separates families and causes people to suffer, and yet:

Mark 12:31 "The second is this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

And the very act of getting what one wants by corrupt means is pretty clearly denounced here:

Matthew 16:26 "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul?"

"But for Neil Gorsuch?"

So, what about Pilate's question? "What is truth?" Maybe today it's just whatever "alternate fact"  that gets you what you want? ( Evangelicals, I'm sure your god will be OK with that. Your bible has plenty of alternative facts as well. Gee, you really ARE made in his image, huh? )

“You’re saying it’s a falsehood. And they’re giving — Sean Spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that,”

Kellyanne Conway 2017


  1. "Interviews with these people reveal that they personally loathe the type of person Trump is.......but.......he IS giving them the conservative judges they so eagerly crave."

    I think that gives many of them too much credit. The may *profess* to loathe Trump's type of person, but on a deeper level is the walking embodiment of their collective Id and their means of revenge against everyone who they think looks down on them. As Garrison Keillor put it shortly after the election:

    "The Trumpers never expected their guy to actually win the thing, and that’s their problem now. They wanted only to whoop and yell, boo at the H-word, wear profane T-shirts, maybe grab a crotch or two, jump in the RV with a couple of six-packs and go out and shoot some spotted owls. It was pleasure enough for them just to know that they were driving us wild with dismay — by “us,” I mean librarians, children’s authors, yoga practitioners, Unitarians, bird-watchers, people who make their own pasta, opera-goers, the grammar police, people who keep books on their shelves, that bunch. The Trumpers exulted in knowing we were tearing our hair out. They had our number, like a bratty kid who knows exactly how to make you grit your teeth and froth at the mouth."

    1. I think that is an accurate description of another prevalent type of Trump supporter. (There are several.) I don't know if it describes the devout Evangelical though.

      Maybe I could do a post on that? LOL

  2. KD, you did not include in your list of biblical verses one that is most applicable to those of all political persuasions: “There is none righteous, no not one.” Of course, there are lots of self-righteous folks in this world, most of us unfortunately … including me.

    I attend what you would call an evangelical church, and I can assure you that there are lots folks who voted for Clinton in the last election. Your stereotype simply does not hold up where I worship.


    1. Self-righteous hypocrites do seem to be very publicly visible lately, so your quote is worth noting. However, this post is not about "my stereotype". Trump genuinely HAS huge support among Evangelical Christians and when interviewed, what I wrote, is the explanation they give for supporting someone whose ideals they do not admire. When doing a search this is the first link that came up:

      Your congregation must be in the 22% category. Though I could see how a truly moral person might have substantial trouble voting for Clinton as well.

    2. Crimson Kid (C.K.)August 22, 2018 at 5:54 PM

      According to the post-elections polls I've seen RE the 2016 presidential election 83% of voters identifying themselves as evangelical Christians voted for 'Von Trump.'

      Most disturbing is that the vast majority of evangelicals *still* claim to support the guy, primarily because of the great value they apparently place on having large numbers of poor young women die from attempts at coat-hanger self-abortions.

      Well, in support of 'gay-bashing' too, along with their strong belief that slavery was great for our country... --C.K.

    3. Yes, CK, there is ample evidence that the Evangelicals are solidly in his corner......too bad I don't believe in a Hell.....other than perhaps waiting in line at Walmart......because these bible-thumping hypocrites would be headed in that direction for sure. (Hmmmmm, maybe they don't really believe it either?)

  3. My husband, an atheist, would agree with you wholeheartedly.

    I am a Christian and attend a mainstream place of worship where most of the congregation are highly educated professionals. I regularly hear dissent from the pulpit, during the prayers, in the pews, at coffee hour, at choir practice, etc.


    1. Well it seems like you married wisely. ;-)

      I'm glad to hear that your congregation has some brave enough to question things and voice dissent. It is encouraging.

    2. Hermione and KD,

      Your marriage, Hermione, as a Christian with an atheist husband, describes my wife’s situation many years ago when I was an atheist in graduate school. It appears, KD, from your some of your blog writings, that we have similar scientific interests and beliefs, and probably similar educational backgrounds in physics and science in general. But today you, for some reason, remain an atheist and I, for some reason, am presently a sincerely committed Christian. This is your blog and I respect that. So I will say no more. If you want to discuss this subject further in your blog, the initiative will have to come from you.


    3. Doug: Thank you for such a civil and reasonable offer.

      It is interesting that you say "remain an atheist". I did not start out that way and it took a very long and difficult journey to arrive at the conclusion I would not have preferred, but cannot logically avoid.

      As for discussing it, I am fine with whatever you want to with any long as it is pertinent and relatively polite. ;-)

    4. KD: I did not start that way either, but I was an atheist/agnostic by the time of my early teens. An OLD blog topic such as this, primarily on another subject, is not a good setting for a discussion on atheism. Perhaps, sometime in a future blog entry, when you want to say more about your "logical" trip to atheism, we could have a civil discussion on the topic. At no time in my past did I ever see atheism as a LOGICAL conclusion, just a reasonable conclusion. Doug

  4. Brilliance essay KD. You are always conscientious with your work. But this one was exceptional. Now go get your spanking for doing such a good job :)

    1. Thank you, Tomy. Sincerely. (I do try to churn out a good product, ya know. ;-) )

      As for the reward spanking? perhaps. As you might surmise from the blog lately, it is not something I am seeking much of these days and Rosa has sort of backed off in light of my very obvious mood. Maybe things will shift once I get some things crossed off my list?